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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 15, 2022 1:12:54 GMT
Kai was honestly astounded that the fact Yoshihiro could be smaller then they already were, and came from an egg that was the size equivalent ostrich. However she did take note of the fact that the eggs could contain more then one Digimon, meaning twins or potentially triplets would not be out of line. Kai however did imagine a smaller, limbless, cuter version of a Calumon fitting inside the palm of her hand and wondering how such a thing could even be dangerous.
However she was moreso wondering more and more about this Dark area as she was being told of how it can be the ultimate nightmare, the one place to not visit. Kai was naturally not one to believe in absolutes to govern where something falls under moral qualities like good and evil, and while a Devidramon sounded like a nightmare monster with a shark like ferocity to handle, Devimon did not sound entirely far off from that. "Yeah, the idea of being taken in by someone that sounds like a devil by name doesn't appear appeaing, but then again, one man's devil is another man's angel." She commented a bit as she didn't really know much about this Devimon quite yet. Tera nodded at the comment as she would think about it carefully. "True enough, but oblivion hath no fury like a Deviwoman scorned though." She commented with a slight cocky demeanor as Kai raised an eyebrow. "Deviwoman? Is that a Devimon's female counterpart?" She asked hoping that she was able to start to pick up on the patterns of the naming conventions having some impact as to what a Digimon's form could be.
"Yes and no, a Devimon is typically a Champion level, but a Deviwoman is typically a Ultimate level. Devimon can become a Deviwoman, Digimon aren't really set in Gender. It's possible for Genders to change in some cases like for certain forms, including natural evolution series or catalyst ones. For example Yoshihiro here could stay a male through his normal line, turn female just once. Maybe Ryuji picks up a Digi-egg of Love and then Yoshihiro turns iinto a Lekismon." Tera explained as Kai cocked an eyebrow as she was visibly confused, this time the question was obvious as Tera would go ahead and answer the question. "Pink armored bunny." She explained the Digimon's appearance before Kai looked Yoshihiro over again.
"I don't see that happening, Evolutionary lines still gotta make some form of sense right?" She asked quite confused. "Also what's a Digi-egg?"
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 15, 2022 1:39:32 GMT
Kai seemed to be quietly taking in the information given to her which was totally understandable given all the information she was provided with from simple things like the size of digieggs to the complexities of the Dark Area. "Yeah I never saw Yoshihiro as a baby but he said he digivolved from a smaller digimon called DemiCalumon." Ryuji said before continuing "Apparently this form looks like just a Calumon head so no limbs or body of any kind."
"In the Digital World not all demonic digimon are mean. At worst they usually just want to be left alone in most circumstances. That and it isn't unheard of for holy digimon to digivolve into demons or for demons to become holy digimon." Yoshihiro said before he then said "I may be a holy digimon but since I haven't reached mega yet I could possibly become a demonic form or something else all together given the crazy nature of digivolution."
When Tera was explaining about the feminine counterpart to Devimon, Yoshihiro chipped in "Another well known name for this ultimate form is called LadyDevimon. As for digimon we are technically genderless but tend to identify as the same gender throughout our lifetime even if some of the digivolutionary forms can look like the opposite of the gender they identify as. Though, like Tera said, in rare cases digimon will identify as different genders in the evolutionary process. I will likely still identify as male throughout the rest of my digivolution chain though whether I look effeminate or not."
Then the subject of armor digivolution came up and Ryuji chuckled before he said "Though it would of been something if one of Yoshihiro's two digimentals allowed him to become a pink armored bunny. That is not what happened.
"Digi-eggs or Digimentals are special egg like ancient artifacts that allow some digimon to gain access to an ancient form of digivolution. Digimon who gain these digimentals can have up to two at a time. I myself have access to two of such things. My first one is an armor champion form called SamuraiCalumon and my second one is an armor ultimate form called Mantismon and it seems to resemble a lotus mantis but much bigger."
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 15, 2022 4:17:40 GMT
Kai nodded as she was listening to the Calumon as he would explain how Digimon perceive the notions of Gender and how various Digimon identify. She was not surprised in most of the answers as she was trying to wrap her head around the logic if Digimon, being entities that can radically change form and appearances. "I mean, your current form is most definitely androgynous, but you are definitely on the feminine side with your cuteness. Can't really speak to your later forms as it seems it gets hard to predict the longer the gap between from."
Kai however was definitely interested by the process of Armor Digivolution as explained by Yoshihiro. She took note about how the Armor, or rather the Digimental were actually catalysts for evolution. She was mentally taking notes as she would try to compile her notes and fill in the gaps with logical deductions. She was grateful to meet these two who seemed to help her rally start to understand the world. "Are armor levels somehow different from regular levels?" She asked as she was wondering if it was lower or higher then standard methods at some kind of cost. "Kinda, from what I heard Armor leads to Pseudo forms that are slightly less then normal level of power since it's not entirely the Digimon's own power." Tera explained it to Kai who nodded before she recalled Tera's own transformation when they first met.
"So when we first met, was that Golden gear one of the Digimentals? She asked before Tera started to shake her head in a cold sweat. "No, that was something far worse. Armor evolution is stable, and as far as I know Xros Generals are incapable of Digivolution like that, just fusion between Digimon." She said as she would shake a bit remembering the form. "However a Fusion needs a complete Digicore of both components to stabilize, not just DNA..." She muttered before Kai stared confused for a moment before she would put everything together, and gasped a bit covering her mouth. "You mean I forced you to merge with a corpse?" She said as she would run towards the nearest trash can and clutch it for support as she would vomit, feeling a bit dizzy and nauseated from the experience.
"More likely that was a normal gear the Digimon bled some of their essence onto or a severed gear which is kinda better then the alternative, but yeah. That Fusion was incomplete, and incredibly painful for me." She corrected after the fact, which was of no comfort to the human girl.
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 15, 2022 6:28:17 GMT
Having androgynous appearances isn't all that common for many types of digimon and in some cases unless a digimon directly says what gender they are not even a voice can always be an obvious clue. I mean my voice may not be squeaky despite my small size but it could be mistaken as a low female voice despite being more of a higher pitched male voice." Yoshihiro said as he tried to picture what he might look like in his mega or super mega forms. "I am still curious what my last two forms will be especially since my ultimate form is a twenty foot white holy dragon called Caludramon."
"Since each of your new forms have gradually gotten larger wouldn't it be a shock for both of us if you're mega is tiny?" Ryuji asked
Yoshihiro laughed before he said "You know that would be quite funny, wouldn't it?"
Then Tera explained that armor forms were slightly weaker than the typical forms they represent. "True the armor forms are a bit weaker but if the one using the armor form fights well they can make up for the slight difference in strength. Hell sometimes even abilities can give the advantage an armor form needs in a pinch."
Then Kai mentioned when she met Tera mentioning some golden gear and what ever happened must of shaken Tera seeing how uncomfortable the armored flying reptile looked. What had happened? What about merging with a corpse?
To say both Ryuji and Yoshihiro were confused seeing it was written all over the duo's faces. Seeing the discomfort from Kai and Tera and not knowing how to help, Ryuji was only able to ask "Hey are you two okay? What happened when you two first met? If it is something you two don't want to talk about I understand."
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 15, 2022 6:56:01 GMT
"Shortly after Kai and I met, we ended up helping a Palmon turned Tanemon escape a Jungle Mojyamon, one that was a bit stronger then the usual. We ended up hiding out in a former bar that acted as a hideaway for people who didn't live honest lives a long time ago but was abandoned after a raid. We would've stayed hidden but the Mojyamon hit a wall knocking the broken engine over exposing a golden gear that had a lot of power, and shined a bright light, prompting the beast to break down the wall and look inside and found two Digimon and a teenage girl." Tera said as she was starting to recount the tale of how the two met and discovered the Incomplete Xros form.
Kai was starting to shake a bit less as she would get up and walk back towards the group, a bit shaken at the implications of the sudden realization. "What she left out was that when Tanemon and I inspected the engine, the damage was not facing inwards, it was outwards. As in, whatever was inside powering it, broke out of the engine. Aside from some output stuff, all that was left inside was the glowing golden gear." She explained as she was hoping the other two could start to see why she was starting to worry about the implications of what they were implying.
"However reluctantly, I agreed to try to fuse with the thing as I couldn't go toe to toe with a Jungle Mojyamon that was warmed up and at the top of it's game in a space where I didn't have environmental advantage and had to also play defense for two. While I am not as opposed to Fusion now... That was different." She said as she tried her best to explain it to the other Digimon at least. She hoped that Yoshihiro would be able to at least have some idea for what she may have experienced. It was almost like a waking nightmare to the Digimon at this point.
"It was like fusion with just the DNA of another Digimon and even then I could feel in every fiber of my being a hollow scream as it was incomplete. My body was glitching out as it hurt to look, breathe, and everything felt like I was gonna explode, implode, and vaporize. Like I was running on fumes. However, Digifusion, requires two Digimon to merge. However I think the proper process requires both Digicore and DNA..." She said greatly concerned at the prospect of repeating that awful process again.
"What's a Digicore? Is that like some form of Digimon Organ or something?" Kai asked a bit curiously.
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 15, 2022 7:16:28 GMT
Ryuji and Yoshihiro listened quietly as Kai and Tera explained the whole tale and at various points Ryuji shuddered obviously now understanding the discomfort the two girls were feeling. After awhile he said "Wow. No wonder you two looked so uncomfortable. After hearing that story I am feeling the same way."
Yoshihiro patted his tamer's cheek gently before a thought entered his head as he said "Wait. What about Tanemon? Did things work out for that little digimon too. I hope Tanemon is safe now." While Yoshihiro had little knowledge regarding xros generals there had to be others who new more than he. All he knew were some of the basics. "Tera it sounds like you experienced an incomplete xros but I heard that some do get better with those forms so they become less unsettling. Yet I understand how you could be hesitant to perform the incomplete xros again, Tera. I heard complete xrosses are supposed to feel natural but I really don't know all that much about Xros Generals. Maybe you guys can talk to someone who has experienced a complete xros."
Then Kai asked what a Digicore was and if it was some kind of organ for a digimon. Yoshihiro then said "Kinda but a Digicore is more similar to what humans call a soul and is the essence of a digimon. Basically as long as it's unabsorbed a digimon has a good chance of being reborn after death. However we still have organs humans are much more familiar with like a stomach since we digest nutrients in various ways."
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 15, 2022 19:12:52 GMT
"So without this, Soul, the fusion was unable to fully stabilize Pteranomon and this other Digimon's DNA and energy residing in the gear, creating this Incomplete Xros? A Pseudo-Champion. However without something to compensate for a lack of another Digicore, the Fusion becomes unbalanced. Which explains why Tera's body had black likes that were flashing colors, and why one of her eyes was dimming black." Kai said as the events were starting to make a little more sense. However the idea that Fusion required more then a spliced DNA seemed to make sense given how Digimon change forms. She theorized that the Digicores did play a part in stabilizing Digimon DNA and in order to stabilize the merging of two Digimon, it needed more then one Digicore.
"A Digicore can only support one Digimon form at a time, when two fuse, the load is the same. One Digicore can't maintain two DNA at the same time as normally Digimon can't be in two forms at once. I don't see Incomplete being tolerable for anything more then two minutes." She explained a bit as she was coming to terms with what happened to her. "So, basically unless we find another Digimon for you to fuse with, we're out of luck in the fusion department." She would say as she was trying to get a deeper understanding of the logic of the weird type of evolution.
"Though I must ask, what happens when a Digimon consumes a Digicore? Does that provide some form of power boost? I seen a Champion hunt a in training desperately so forgive me if I'm reaching at this point. Just trying to get a lay for the land as this world seems to have, quite weird rules." She asked as she was still partially wondering if she was dreaming in some sort of twisted coma.
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 16, 2022 0:02:29 GMT
"I heard once from dad that not all incomplete fusions look like that. Some look ethereal in the places on their where the other digimon would be represented. Dad said he saw an example of it once and said it was beautiful." Yoshihiro said before he then said "Though judging by how you described Tera's transformation I can see how you were possibly terrified by her incomplete xros."
"So wouldn't a xros mean the two Digicores would become one kind of like a DNA evolution?" Ryuji asked Tera looking confused as he tried to puzzle things out. When Kai mentioned being out of luck in the fusion department Ryuji said "Don't worry, Kai. I'm sure you'll find others that would be more than willing to work with you and Tera though you have to remember not all digimon like humans and some may even resort to violence."
"Sadly if the Digicore is consumed the consumed digimon wouldn't exist anymore and can't be reborn again. Unfortunately some digimon do such things without any since of remorse and they are the types to be the most cautious of especially if they are cunning as well." Yoshihiro explained shuddering at the very thought of becoming little more than a mid day snack for an aggressive digimon.
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 16, 2022 8:14:09 GMT
Tera listened as Ryuji compared DNA and Digifuison, she shook her head at that comment. "DNA Digiviolution is a bit more, limited. It requires two Digimon with a basic level of familiarity and using that bond and that bond alone as a catalyst for fusion into a fully new Digimon. However the Fusions from a Fusion Loader, requires nothing of the two Digimon and the will of the human, and don't necessarily have to become a new Digimon. Could turn one into a weapon or upgrade for another into a new mode." She said as she was explaining the critical differences between DNA and Fusion to Ryuji. "In short, DNA requires a lot of work for one form, but Fusion Loaders can make many forms out of two Digimon."
Kai however was getting quite worried at the prospect of a Digicore being devoured or destroyed. However given nearly every DIgimon she encountered had some degree of sentience, she was wondering why it even happened. "Honestly it's awful that any Digimon would do that to another, if it doesn't have any benefits it's a waste and harshly unnecessary to consume a Digicore, She said as she would try to put such thoughts out of her mind for the moment tried to see if she could alter the flow of the conversation or just switch topics at the moment.
"Still, the Digital World does seem like a nice place when you stop and view it from places like this huh. Wasn't sure what to expect when I had the bayou be my introduction. She said as she would try to change the topic to something a bit more cheery, even if slightly awkwardly.
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 16, 2022 10:56:38 GMT
Ryuji nodded as he took in Tera's explanation regarding the differences and yes both were indeed similar but also different in many ways. Ryuji then said "Either way I would assume both process require some amount of trust between all involved since I can see how infighting would make DNA digivolution or Digi Xrosses unusable if everyone can't work together." Not only could a digi xros create a new digimon but things like weapons or other upgrades which was intriguing to say the least.
"Unfortunately such an approach is used as a means for a digimon to reach their next level faster even though such a thing can be done with just as much hard work but less risk. Not to mention less loss of life. However, like humans, digimon can be filled with greed and lacking any sense of empathy towards others." Yoshihiro said noticing how worried Kai seemed but he needed to say what he said. At least he found the most diplomatic way possible of making his explanation.
"Yes, despite the risks there is also a lot to gain by exploring different parts of the Digital World as every trip can be a learning experience and not always from the negative aspects." Ryuji said with a smile. Sure his first few months had many snags with him being held hostage multiple times but the young man had endured and grown from his experiences. For better or worse he had become a stronger person.
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 17, 2022 0:55:57 GMT
Kai was finding herself adjusting to the world as she was learning more and more about it from every interaction. She was grateful that at the very least that wile the sentient or semi sentient inhabitants were flux with their corporeal forms, that at the very least the landscape and environment was not subject to such a state of metamorphosis. "Well at least most of the big stuff is out of the way and I'm aware of everything I need to know." She said as she would start to look at the situation with a bit less danger considering she was gaining more knowledge and insight. The unknowable variables were slowly dying out one step at a time allowing her to have some room to breathe.
She would start to examine over the Calumon as she hear something earlier that she could not fit into place. "So, there's one thing I can't piece quite yet. Earlier Ryuji said you have something called a Holosuit, what's that? Another form of ability?" She asked quite curious and as that was one of the few outlying details she didn't have at the moment. Tera shrugged her wings as she was not quite familiar with it. "It's a Device humans use to leave behind a copy of themselves in the Human world when they need someone to cover for them- wait, that's something else. Sorry I didn't memorize the catalogue, just deliver the items to Digital World Locations." She said as she started to doubt herself after she would answer the question. Truth be told she was too busy gawking then asking questions when it came to Adventurers.
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 17, 2022 1:14:02 GMT
"Yes knowing the big stuff is sure helpful but sometimes the Digital World can be unpredictable. Sometimes the laws of physics seem normal then things happen that not only defy physics but also can leave one questioning logic itself. I've been here for a year and each time Yoshihiro has told me not to think too deeply about it and to just go with it." Ryuji said though he was grateful the worst example of what he had spoken about was things like floating boulders to digimon creating portals and using them to seemingly come from nowhere and yet Yoshihiro would just shrug such things off as it were normal. Maybe chaos was just the Digital World's nature and he was just overthinking things.
Then the subject of the holosuit came up again and Tera got the info wrong. "Yeah, Tera, that is the wrong description. A holosuit is actually a device that allows digimon to disguise themselves so as to not stand out so much while in the Human World. It alters the data a bit to change the form of the digimon using it at the cost of digimon abilities being greatly limited while using the holosuit or it risks disrupting the disguise."
"Though the digimon using holosuits usually disguise themselves as humans others will choose animals as their disguise." Ryuji said chipping in his two cents to the conversation as well.
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 17, 2022 5:16:09 GMT
"Right, my bad. There's a modicum of products for the Human World but I never delivered any of that stuff. Only Digital world only equipment, twice a hovercraft, but only stuff meant for the DIgital World. There's a few for the Human World. Never went there so I never bothered to learn them." She said as she would correct herself after Yoshihiro would correct her. However she was partially intrigued by the idea of a holosuit and finding it may be useful, however the fact that Ryuji commented it was not purely human. Tera did wonder if she would turn into a bird, or perhaps something else like a drone or some piece of technology.
"Still they sound kinda cool though, to be able to have a shape one wants in a life of having little to no control over what you look like." Tera commended but Kai started to fear the implications of such a device already as she would realize rather quickly that there could be Digimon walking around earth in broad day light. She was starting to get a bit worried.
"So, these devices allow Digimon to essentially morph into humans and live in the human world, beings that at their average level can easily turn a room of twenty into a room of one and come in all shades of grey with morality, can buy a mass produced device and go into another world with easy marks?" She said as she was not trying to see the worst in people but she did find there was a huge red flag in that logic. She even started to wonder how many criminals that pulled off nearly impossible stunts in recent times actually had the help of a Digimon. "I think there's a group or something in the human world that stops Digimon criminals, don't worry." Tera said cavalier like. "Could join them, save the day with secret identities.." She said trying to tempt Kai who was visibly not swayed by the argument. "No, probably not."
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Post by ricochet2-Ryuji&Calumon on Mar 17, 2022 5:55:31 GMT
"The best part of holosuits is that they can be customized to the needs of the buyer so the digimon can choose the appearance they want to have. You know like with those customization options in some video games but with far more potential options." Yoshihiro said wondering what look Tera would take if she chose to have a holosuit but didn't ask as it was only a minor curiosity at the present time.
Ryuji noticed that Kai seemed worried regarding the holosuits so hoping to ease such concerns said "It seems most digimon that wander around Shibuya mean no one any harm. Some live with the humans they are partnered with and others are basically like peaceful visitors that are seeing the sights much like the average tourist."
Some smaller ones did what I used to do for the longest time before I got a holosuit and that was basically pretend to be a stuffed animal or hide in their tamer's bags. Works quite well for small and cute digimon I've noticed. I still ride in Ryuji's backpack from time to time so I guess old habits die hard." Yeah Yoshihiro was no threat to humans intentionally anyway even in ultimate form he was a playful rascal that did no worse than mild pranks.
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Post by Kai Aizawa on Mar 18, 2022 7:08:01 GMT
"Sorry if I overreacted, just sounded a bit riskier walking through downtown then it normally does when you described how, easy it is for Digimon to blend in."
She said a bit embarrassed as she would analyze the information, she was reexamining her whole life wondering if there people that she believed she knew that in truth were Digimon in disguise. The idea was started to prove to be a minefield for paranoia so she would drop the notion for now and just look into countermeasures to find holosuits later on if only for her piece of mind. She started at Yoshihiro for a moment before lightly feeling his shoulder before nodding. "Yeah I can see you passing as as a plush doll if you go limp, besides, I can't imagine a holosuit being comfortable to use if you start in this form and get modulated to human, the size difference is probably drastic." She said as she was sizing up the methods of hiding a Digimon in the human world as an in training.
"Still having the lower form is definitely a easy way to hide in case a holosuit fails or whatnot. I can't imagine it's fullproof, like if one enters a hospital or nuclear power plant and gets interference. I wonder if Tera and I can do that." She said before Tera would immediately cross her legs into an X as she was not for that idea at all. She shook her head. "Nope, I'm not devolving for you, not for a million bits, I'd rather get thrown in a grudge match with two Super Megas then devolve." She said was a firm stance on the matter. Kai cocked an eyebrow. "Would you do it for a Klondike bar?" She asked making Tera a bit flustered at the question"Maybe, I'm not entirely made of metal." She replied. "I waant to go higher, not lower. You don't see me demanding you turn into a baby, huh, do it." She said getting on the defensive making Kai step back a bit in response. She gritted for a moment but took a deep breath as she would look at Tera with a cold expression.
"One, I'm a human, I can't metamorph to any stage of my development at will. Two, you are out of line miss. Three, I don't see any other way to hide you if all else fails. Also I was asking if you would be able to do so, not demanding." She said greatly annoywed.
Tera would look back over at Yoshihiro, leaning in whispering a bit. "Is there any trick for making these humans less offensive and dramatic?" She asked a bit curious and not seeing herself as the aggressor in this instance.
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