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Somebody Told Me... [Karin]
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Post by karin on Dec 10, 2019 13:11:59 GMT
"But if you think about it, sometimes that 'illusion' is important," Karin commented. "Sometime that illusion of choice is what differentiates between hope and despair... which means the difference between satisfaction or dissatisfaction. People would like to think that they're in control, even fact that they're not. Did I said too much? Regardless, I think this is true. Not having choices tends to be very vexing, but with illusion that there is choice... even if it's illusion, people will take it."
Freya shrugged. "Being a Digimon who have past life myself, it's indeed true that there are times where we can't move ahead... To be honest, I wonder if it's a curse, or is it a blessing? Human thinks of reincarnation all the time, but I have seen people broken from their reincarnation, unable to forget their past memories and move on. But you know? Feeling changed. Sometimes it's not all the same broken record. Just like you all who find meaning in transience, we have also learned meaning in this life as we encountered the transient you. I guess that's why some Digimons really likes human... Because human reminds them that this moment is important.
Is that why Homeostasis or Yggdrasil introduces you to this world? I honestly have no idea, but at times I feel like some Digimons cares too much about past titles. 'I'm the past demon lord' or something... They forgot the importance of present and future. They're too caught up in their past glory. But regardless, this is what I feel. I'm thankful of meeting the transient you. Parting might be hard, but... I'm happy to have met you all."
So onsen it is huh? Karin nodded. Once they finished their meal, she started the car once again and drove to the onsen. To call it onsen perhaps is a strange idea, considering it's literally like japanese castle, where the main building is simply place to rest, changing room and locker and whatnot, and the majority of it are pretty much like a hot spring park. Several humans and Digimons are already there. There are warning where every human and Digimon must stay in their child stage while inside the onsen.
"...It's half finished, I guess, so the onsen is still rather bare bone. Either way, come over here..."
The washing station. Karin offered to wash Amy's back.
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Post by Amelie on Dec 13, 2019 16:06:57 GMT
"I... disagree." The girl finally commented. "The whole false hope argument sounds bland and unneeded; and, in all honesty? If things are going to have the same outcome in the end, then either hoping or depairing about them is pointless in the first place. Just being accepting is the best thing you can do about a situation you can't change; a saying as old as dirt, you know? It's part of the Serenity Prayer. To have the serenity to accept what you can't change, the courage to change the things that you can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
That was a pretty big rift regarding paradigms. At least in Amy's case, she was content with not having choices to have as long as the truth was laid bare in front of her; losing her time with the illusion of a choice wasn't something she was a fan of. In any case... There wasn't much to add to those words, and she wasn't a digimon, so she couldn't really argue with what Freya was saying, so she just nodded instead.
"As long as it works for you all, that's fine. I can't really get into the mindset of what basically equates to an immortal being, but if an immortal life at least finds momentary meaning in another, transient life, then that's good, I guess? A meaningless immortal life doesn't look too enticing, however. It seems like a bit of a drag."
Entertaining the thought of an eternal lifetime seemed like a pointless endeavor to her, mostly because that wouldn't be the case for Amy. Spending time forming an opinion over it was too much of a drag. Instead, she decided to focused on the exciting trip ahead of them. An onsen!
"Nice building you got there. And you say it's not been completed yet? I can't wait to see how it looks once the construction finishes."
At the washing station, Amy would politely decline Karin's offer regarding washing her back; she had that covered already, after all. Once they were done, however, hopefully everyone would take a relaxing dip! That'd be good.
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Post by karin on Dec 17, 2019 16:57:46 GMT
Karin was silent for a while, but then she looked at Amelie with a grin. She doesn't look upset at all, far from it even. "So you rejected false hope? I guess me too. I'm the kind that rejected false hope. Of course as much as possible I'd love to give options... but between giving false hope, or take it to my own hand to slap them the fact? I'll do the latter most of the time. I hate to betray people's hope and expectation. And... well, I prefer to live without any sort of lies. I guess that's why I kind of colored my hair a bit?" Karin pointed at the front strand of her hair. Unlike the rest, it's bright pink "I just like it better like this."
Immortal? Freya just shrugged. "Amy, I think you get it wrong there. Digimons aren't exactly immortal. We're... I guess you can say that we're very long lived, but we'll die if we get killed. Chance of continuing your next life when you're dead? Little actually. Reincarnation felt like we're living different life. We may have attachment to our past life, but essentially, you're different individual, unless you have a backup, like a Digivice. But it's not 100% guaranteed. Some data will be lost, and it might sounds like forgetting something, but when it's too crucial, and it can't be backed up,that's essentially a rebirth. Many Digimon thinks of their life as easy and 'even if you die, you'll just reborn anyway;... But it's not that easy. As someone who have died three times, I'll tell you that this is the truth. Sometimes your data got contaminated, and thus the resulting Digimon is pretty much different anyway. You can't say that you're you without being mostly you, right?"
Either way, seeing that Amelie refused the back scrub, Karin just do her own and cleaned herself up. The dip afterward felt great for her. Tying her hair up in towel like this also felt refreshing.
"...........So, anything you would like to ask about anything? We pretty much got a little time before the meeting after all."
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Post by Amelie on Dec 21, 2019 19:52:31 GMT
What an interesting word to use in a question. Amelie stared at Karin for a second, before ultimately shrugging. "I never looked too deeply into it; I just hate being lied or deceived. I technically didn't accept or reject anything. Good enough for you?"
It wasn't a topic she was too hot on, admittedly enough, and the truth was that she wasn't very sure on how it had sprung it on the first place, but it wasn't like she'd focus on that opinion for long. After all, each to their own. Right?
Just like with the topic of the so-called 'Digital Immortality'. "Is that so?" The human replied, genuinely confused at that statement. "Most of the times I've seen a digimon kick the bucket and come back, they were exactly the same as before. Sure, they maybe were a bit more jaded or bitter, like anyone going through a traumatic experience, but... other than that? I can see the cores of most beings remaining intact, unless you see yourself as somebody wildly different than in your previous lives? Moreso, is that change a product of your mindset, or maybe of your circumstances? I'm genuinely curious about it."
The outcome of that question didn't matter a lot, in all honesty. The result would be the same; everyone having a moment of relaxation after dipping into the warm water.
Questions, however? The brunette hummed for a second before speaking. "Are you afraid of making enemies? Like, enemies; not rivals or anything like that. Full-blown, aggressive enmity. How would you feel towards that?"
It was a weird question, but it was intriguing on its own right, wasn't it? What would Karin and/or Freya answer to it?
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Post by karin on Dec 26, 2019 8:41:59 GMT
"Fine with me," Karin answered with a shrug.
Amelie's question is interesting to Freya, But she admit that there are a bit of truth there. "Jaded and bitter... yes, I can see that totally. But exactly because of that sometimes they tend to forgot what has been lost... If they're dead for their loved one, you'll see the difference, rather than if they're dead because something personal that they have no control of. What I mean is, if you're dead with a baggage, you won't notice the loss because you'll be busy being jaded and bitter... but when you die with preparation, you'll notice missing pieces...
The first time I died I was too fixated on my revenge, so much that I thought my loss of emotions was completely normal. It's not. What's worse, my anger and grief tethered to new data, and overwhelmed this new data from creating new personality for a fresh start, thus I became nothing but empty husk of how I was. That husk was filled, and the second time I died I become less jaded... I think I lost that bitterness, and before long I forgot about what is it that drove me hard the first time... and the third parting... I wonder what is it that I lost? I have no idea, but if there's something that I noticed? You only will know what you lost when you're looking at it objectively. Your brain won't process what you have lost when wool is still all over your eyes.
I considered this current incarnation as wide enough of a difference compared to my past two, enough to warrant a name change. Or I guess, rather than that, I just wanted this name to mark a new beginning."
To Amelie's question, Karin seem to be contemplative for a moment before answering. "Well for one, I'm pretty sure my team is against... creating enemies because we have our people to think about but... When it comes to the safety of our citizen, and if there are chances that we're making enemies unwittingly in our process to create a better place for Ys and Digital World in general, or if anyone wishes to harm us in any way, we're not afraid to go to war, simply speaking.
A full blown aggression... Our policy on that is already socialized: We admit that we're not flawless. Our action in meddling things with digital world might cause us to get a full on enmity, but I feel like most of our citizen would agree: If it's for Ys, then we'll fight. Simple as that. However, if it's not team policy and more to a member bringing a stockfull of trouble because of their unjustified action while using KIZNA name, then we'll be treating them as a traitor and deal with them accordingly."
"Simply speaking we do not welcome war, we discourage any unjustified aggression, but if war came to our lawn, then we'll deal with it accordingly. No mercy," Freya added.
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Post by Amelie on Jan 1, 2020 23:29:07 GMT
Freya's own justification for Amelie's question was quite interesting. The brunette seemed to be pensive for a while before finally beginning to speak. "Basically, you're saying that people become jaded and bitter because they have reasons to be jaded and bitter. Yes, I can get behind that rationale because... that's ultimately what makes sense. I doubt that, unless planned very meticulously, most digimon die in a way that satisfies them. Never experienced death myself, but I figure that'd leave a sense of loss and unfinished business at the very least. In any case..."
She let out a sigh. It seemed like the Floramon had gone through things. "Not meaning anything in particular with it, but it sounds a lot like learning to deal with failure, but in a more extreme way, and long-lasting consequences. I guess that when you measure events and mindsets in lifetimes rather than years, things kinda get put in perspective. Pity that a human won't ever truly be able to empathize with that, but... I guess we just don't have to. Ignorance is bliss, or so they say."
Fully understanding how the Floramon felt was something that probably could never be achieved, so... rather not waste any time there.
Enmity, on the other hand, it was something a lot more understandable! Basically, what to do when somebody else hated you and made that fact plenty obvious? The brunette gave a nod to the following statement. In a sense, that was one of the answers she had been fishing for.
"That makes sense as well. Sullying the name of a team for your own personal gain sounds like... a less-than-ideal endeavor, in all honesty. I doubt anyone encourages conflict, but I feel like it's an inevitable outcome when interests between powerful groups clash, and I've learned that, for better or worse, that happens more frequently than what I'd like."
Was she implying something with this? Not really, probably! For now, the young woman seized those idle moments to stretch her somewhat sore limbs a bit and relax. That's the reason why onsens existed, right?
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Post by karin on Jan 5, 2020 9:23:56 GMT
"That's right. People have reason to be bitter and jaded so they become so. Basically it's like grudge I guess? Like, alright, let's say you have a grudge today and you got knocked out while thinking about that grudge, probably either because you're too tired, or got knocked out by someone that you have grudge to. The next day you'll probably be bitter and angry, right? That's how it is technically... death from combat. Death from sickness or death from old age usually only carried some regret, without much of bitterness, at least that's my two cents on it," Freya explained.
Though Amelie's next part amuses Freya. "Hm, I guess you can say so... but hey, that is life. I think regardless of whether you live once or multiple time, it's important to know one thing: Those who looks behind too much without improving or trying to improve will eventually get trapped. That's why I prefer to juuuust take it easy. Let the life flow."
What does Amelie means with that one? Karin raised an eyebrow at that. "...Mind elaborating?" she asked. "Though i can roughly guess what you meant. Sometimes KIZNA's help, considering our help often come for cheaper price compared to some other groups, or tends to meddle with local people and some groups doesn't like it, there bound to be some clash. By meddle I mean when we're trying to improve a tribe's living condition for example by building a bridge, turned out some group tried to extort them by marking up prices of what they wanted to buy, and then we clashed... I guess kinda like that?"
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Post by Amelie on Jan 14, 2020 0:39:09 GMT
There was wisdom in Freya's words. That much was expected, given the Floramon's age. "I hope I never find out how it feels to die with a grudge, in all honesty. Guess that's the flip side of not having continues, amiright? While there are some mistakes you won't ever be able to recover from, I guess the same might just apply to other matters. After all, just because the fact is that you have multiple opportunities, it doesn't mean everyone has them. I can see how there can be some issues with that. But that's me digressing. Nevermind."
For all that mattered, that conversation was done for.
The girl just smiled at Karin's statement. "I really don't." She answered in a cheeky, if matter-of-factly way. "This world has its own way to mess up with all of us, and honestly? Things are always delivered in the strangest of ways regarding it, if you think about it in a detailed way; theorizing the possible scenarios would be one big waste of time, if you ask me! But who knows! It might not mean anything, for all I know. Hard to tell, really."
That conversation would probably drift off after that. Was there really anything meaningful left to discuss? Hard to tell.
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